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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2007.10.29 06:48:00 -
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There's a lot of snarky stuff I want to say about the attention the market gets in this game, but I'll hold it.
*Complete redesign of the market interface
*Redesign contracts again, but do it right this time
*the ability to export more information from the client
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2007.10.30 01:08:00 -
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Here's a few more specific requests off the top of my head:
*A drop down box for the Corporate Account Selection, instead of having to change your wallet.
*A market details button in the modify order window like the magnifying glass in the new order window
*Move the Corp Orders tab to the wallet where it should be
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2007.10.30 05:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Slurm on 30/10/2007 05:50:10
 Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
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These aren't improvements, they're nerfs. Semantics, but still.
Fixed it for you ;)
No, they are not. Buffs improve game play for the player. These changes do not do that. They make the game harder to play and feasibly cost more to trade. They are not buffs, they are nerfs.
If they are put into effect exactly what MP said will happen will happen. I realized a while ago through the discussion in avery long thread that there is no fix to .01 ISK bidding. None. It exists because Eve is a free market. No amount of nerfing is going to change that. Fixes like that are not a solution to the problem, merely the symptom.
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Posted - 2007.10.30 06:28:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Dr Slurm
No, they are not. Buffs improve game play for the player.
If these go through people will have to spend less time updating orders because they will be forced to spend less time updating orders. Thus they will be able to spend more time doing other things and won't be forced to babysit every order in a 5 minute window. It's a buff imo.
No one is forced to update their orders, where as under the new proposed changes I would be forced NOT to update my orders. I'd rather have more freedom then less.
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These changes do not do that. They make the game harder to play
To me these changes make the game easier as they require you to update less often.
Not quite I'll just end up with more orders to update.
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If they are put into effect exactly what MP said will happen will happen.
Actually, it won't. I could go through all the reasons it won't... but I really don't have the time right now. If you really need reasons I will try to give them all tomorrow sometime, but you should take my word for it. It will all work out, people won't make billions of single orders as MP thinks.
This solution isn't addressing the problem, merely the symptom of the problem. I really don't care what you think, these changes don't solve the problem. They just make the game harder to play.
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2007.10.30 14:35:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Dr Slurm
I really don't care what you think, these changes don't solve the problem. They just make the game harder to play.
Hey, I can throw that right back at you... lets see how useful you think it is!
I really don't care what you think, these changes solve part of the problem. They make the game easier to play.
Gee, wasn't that useful! Now can we resort to "Nuh uh!" and "Uh huh!"?
You can try, but that doesn't change the fact I'm right and you just admitted so. These changes do not in the least bit make the game easier to play. I've backed up my claim whereas you have not.
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How can people be forced to use more orders if they already use all their orders? By training up alts? I know I'm not going to bother changing the way I play one bit with these changes. The only thing it will do is give normal players an advantage over all the tweakers out there who adjust orders 24/7.
I've always used up every order I had, when I had 14 orders they were all full and with 269 orders they are all full generally. Not filling up all your orders is a waste of your potential profits, even if they are low income orders. I fill up with the most profitable things I can and if I have leftover orders they are filled by things that will make a few extra isks. I would never waste 10 orders on a single item just to have 10 stacks of it. That would destroy potential profits and why? Just to avoid paying a tiny broker fee? Or so I could make myself a slave to managing my orders?
That's completely your problem and your choice to play that way. I don't like having my choices removed. You've already admitted you only check your orders once a day anyways.
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Anything that allows us to not have to watch orders every 5 minutes is a good change. You're looking at this as a "I will not be able to keep up" but you're not envisioning how different trading will be with everyone under these new rules. People will all stop updating as much... so you won't have to either. It makes the whole thing much easier and less stressful. Better for casual players. The only people it hurts are people who spend their entire lives babysitting orders... and I have no sympathy for anyone doing that.
You do not HAVE to do this already. It is your personal choice to sit there and babysit orders. I'm not looking at this as "I will not be able to keep up". I'll be able to keep up just fine. As it is now I typically update my orders twice a day, but when I need to adjust an order sooner then the time limit allows I want to be able to do it. The way it is now with a 3 minute timer is already annoying. I don't even want to think how aggravated I'll get when I have to wait a ******* hour.
A game maker should NEVER make a game more annoying to play. Thats how you loose customers.
As for the reapplying the broker fees after a modification that will just make the bottom line even harder to calculate then it already is.
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2007.10.31 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Dr Slurm
There's a lot of snarky stuff I want to say about the attention the market gets in this game, but I'll hold it.
*Complete redesign of the market interface
*Redesign contracts again, but do it right this time
*the ability to export more information from the client
i like how all of you present "things that need to be changed" but not one of u give a way to go about changing these things....present ideas for change and maybe theyll *GASP* actually change them??
I've suggested a lot more then this in the past. All seemingly ignored by CCP.
Here are the 2 posts in the last year from devs in this forum:
Who is Dan Speed? and 2 Rig BPO's, Missing or Well Hidden?
That's not to say they don't read this forum, but they certainly don't encourage us any considering the amount of attention other forums get from the developers.
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2007.10.31 05:48:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle
Originally by: Kylar Renpurs
Originally by: Seeing EyeDog
Originally by: Dr Slurm
There's a lot of snarky stuff I want to say about the attention the market gets in this game, but I'll hold it.
*Complete redesign of the market interface
*Redesign contracts again, but do it right this time
*the ability to export more information from the client
i like how all of you present "things that need to be changed" but not one of u give a way to go about changing these things....present ideas for change and maybe theyll *GASP* actually change them??
I like how people enter a topic and claim nobody offers solutions when those solutions have been repeated ad-infinitum and largely ignored. Oh,, would you like to have to repeat 3 or 4 pages every week when someone claims "you offer no solution"?
Well, we seem to need a 3-4 page every day for people who keep claiming there has been no advantage to share holder names, so why not 3-4 pages on this too!
At least we seem to have all agreed now that the time change on modification is a good idea 
Somebody necroed Roemy's thread and so far you are the only person who thinks a greater time delay is a good idea.
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Dr Slurm
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Posted - 2007.10.31 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Robacz
Originally by: Dr Slurm
That's not to say they don't read this forum, but they certainly don't encourage us any considering the amount of attention other forums get from the developers.
Question is what they are supposed to reply to? To endless arguments between few people posting in every thread again and again? I honestly can't see much threads where reply from a Dev would be somehow helpful.
Despite all the resident trolls as of late Dev input would be highly regarded in a lot of threads. My Anti-Jita thread comes to mind considering they stand to benefit greatly from that idea.
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